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Thread: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

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    foxter Guest

    Default Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    I tested Zone Alarm (Free) with tooleaky (http://tooleaky.zensoft.com) and firehole (http://keir.net/firehole.html). It failed both tests. I asked on forums if Zone Alarm PRO failes this tests and the anwers were that Zone Alarm passed those tests.It seems that not only the users of the free version lack some protection against spyware and email threats but also lack the protection of the triple defence firewall. Will Zone Alarm Free integrate in the future a protection against threats who behave like Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    Operating System:Windows XP Pro
    Product Name:ZoneAlarm (Free)
    Software Version:6.5

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    st_john_clark Guest

    Default Re: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    May I ask does "Tooleaky" and "Firehole" both act as spyware???

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    st_john_clark Guest

    Default Re: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    If these tests both act as spyware then no your free firewall will not protect you. The whole point of the triple defence firewall is to prevent spyware and you only install this feature in the full versions.The free firewall however is flawless against hackers.To test this go to www.grc.com You will directed to the Gibson research start page.Click onto the "Shields Up" Link.You will redirected to the Gibson research homepage.Scroll down to the link "shields up" and click onto it via your cursor.Click "Proceed"Click "All Service Ports"And let the test begin.At the end of the test it will give your firewall a ranking and it should say "TruStealth".Hope this helped

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    Default Re: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    Here is a trick to help defeat some of those leak tests. This will beat about 30% of all leak tests.

    Set the IE6 as the main browser in the program access and defaults. Then in the Program list put the red X for internet access for the IE6 browser. Any malware that wishes to hijack the IE6, will cause the ZA to poup and say the IE6 is attempting internet access. Now that is a warning of malware by itself. Yes, do use another browser such as Opera or FireFox.

    Second trick to defeat the leaktests and will provide additional security is HIPS such as System Safety Monitor or AntiHook. Both are free. The SSM or System Safety Monitor has allowances for processes to run as a child/parent to be allowed or ask. Setting the IE6 to "ask" will easily defeat the leaktests. It is similiar to the triple defense or the OS firewall in the ZA paid versions. It has a learning mode and is available as free and no costs.

    Using both will put any user over the top in terms of security and passing the leaktests.

    Process Guard has a free and paid versions that will do the very same. Prevx 1 although very heavy on the PC resources and does phone home at every startup does a good job as well.


    PS Neither Tooleaky or FireHole have anything to do with the shieldsUp Scans.


    Oldsod

    Message Edited by Oldsod on 07-26-2006 02:49 AM

    Operating System:Windows XP Home Edition
    Product Name:ZoneAlarm Anti-Spyware
    Software Version:6.1
    Best regards.
    oldsod

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    foxter Guest

    Default Re: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    <blockquote><hr>St_John_Clark wrote:
    May I ask does &quot;Tooleaky&quot; and &quot;Firehole&quot; both act as spyware???
    <hr></blockquote>
    Well, tooleaky and firehole act like trusted aplications and can trick the Zone Alarm Free Firewall into thinking that it's the web browser (trusted aplication) that needs conection to the Internet. Therefore Zone Alarm does not ask for permision to let them conect to Internet.
    However there is a free firewall that asks for every potential risky conection, Jetico Personal Firewall for Windows (http://www.jetico.com/jpfirewall.htm). The problem with Jetico is the fact that you need very much patience to configure it (I do mean VERY MUCH PATIENCE). I started this thread because I wanted to know if there is potential fix for this kind of vulnerability that does not involve changing the Zone Alarm Free Firewall.

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    foxter Guest

    Default Re: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    <blockquote><hr>Oldsod wrote:
    Here is a trick to help defeat some of those leak tests. This will beat about 30&#37; of all leak tests.

    Set the IE6 as the main browser in the program access and defaults. Then in the Program list put the red X for internet access for the IE6 browser. Any malware that wishes to hijack the IE6, will cause the ZA to poup and say the IE6 is attempting internet access. Now that is a warning of malware by itself. Yes, do use another browser such as Opera or FireFox.

    Second trick to defeat the leaktests and will provide additional security is HIPS such as System Safety Monitor or AntiHook. Both are free. The SSM or System Safety Monitor has allowances for processes to run as a child/parent to be allowed or ask. Setting the IE6 to &quot;ask&quot; will easily defeat the leaktests. It is similiar to the triple defense or the OS firewall in the ZA paid versions. It has a learning mode and is available as free and no costs.

    Using both will put any user over the top in terms of security and passing the leaktests.

    Process Guard has a free and paid versions that will do the very same. Prevx 1 although very heavy on the PC resources and does phone home at every startup does a good job as well.


    PS Neither Tooleaky or FireHole have anything to do with the shieldsUp Scans.


    Oldsod

    Message Edited by Oldsod on 07-26-200602:49 AM

    Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition
    Product Name: ZoneAlarm Anti-Spyware
    Software Version: 6.1

    <hr></blockquote>



    Thanks for the help Oldsod.

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    Default Re: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    First time I tried the Jetico, it took several days to understand it and still had popups. The second time I tried it, I figured out the not so obviuos dropdowns and had the trusted table finalized. After several hours of setting it up, it produced no popups and it was basically setup for good.
    The main problem was the PC had a nasty lag or slow down when this firewall was running.. Definitely still a beta and that GUI needs a lot of work. There are several more free firewalls that will beat the leaktests , not just the Finnish firewall. Oldsod
    Best regards.
    oldsod

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    foxter Guest

    Default Re: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    Can you please give me the names of free Firewalls that resist Tooleaky and Firehole ?

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    Default Re: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    If the PC is absolutely clean or just to make sure, then format and install Windows, Do the updates and hardening, install the AV and the free ZA.

    Then download the antihook with the page for the registration. install the antihook and reboot. open the tray icon and add the free registration key and user code. Use copy and paste since they are large. Then reboot. After the restart, open the infoprocess folder in the program directory and look for the Rules Editor installer. open it and let it install. reboot. check the tray icon after to see if the registration and rules editor have installed properly. Then install the SSM. Reboot and open the SSM and then disable the modules and make sure it is set on learning mode only with no application rules enabled.

    Now open every software and use every thing. Including the email and browsers and the CD drive and USB and printers. Finished? Now set both to normal mode and applications rules.


    The fine tuning for the SSM is there as you learn how and what it does. Both together will give excellent protection from spyware, rootkits, virus and trojans. They will defeat leaktests and such. Cheap and free software that does the job and does it well. Oldsod

    Message Edited by Oldsod on 07-26-2006 04:18 PM

    Operating System:Windows XP Home Edition
    Product Name:ZoneAlarm Anti-Spyware
    Software Version:6.1

    Message Edited by Oldsod on 08-05-2006 05:21 AM

    Message Edited by Oldsod on 08-05-2006 05:25 AM
    Best regards.
    oldsod

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    foxter Guest

    Default Re: Zone Alarm (free version) is helpless against Tooleaky and Firehole ?

    <blockquote><hr>Oldsod wrote:

    If the PC is absolutely clean or just to make sure, then format and install Windows, Do the updates and hardening, install the AV and the free ZA.

    Then downloadx the antihook with the page for the registration. install the antihook and reboot. open the tray icon and add the free registration key and user code. Use copy and paste since they are large. Then reboot. After the restart, open the infoprocess folder in the program directory and look for the Rules Editor installer. open it and let it install. reboot. check the tray icon after to see if the registration and rules editor have installed properly. Then install the SSM. Reboot and open the SSM and then disable the modules and make sure it is set on learning mode only with no application rules enabled.

    Now open every software and use every thing. Including the email and browsers and the CD drive and USB and printers. Finished? Now set both to normal mode and applications rules.


    The fine tuning for the SSM is there as you learn how and what it does. Both together will give excellent protection from spyware, rootkits, virus and trojans. They will defeat leaktests and such. Cheap and free software that does the job and does it well. Oldsod

    Message Edited by Oldsod on 07-26-200604:18 PM

    Operating System: Windows XP Home Edition
    Product Name: ZoneAlarm Anti-Spyware
    Software Version: 6.1

    <hr></blockquote>


    Thanks for the help.

    Message Edited by Oldsod on 08-05-2006 05:24 AM

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