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Thread: Delayed Write Failure with Vista Ultimate SP1 and ZAfree.

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    validconten Guest

    Default Delayed Write Failure with Vista Ultimate SP1 and ZAfree.

    Delayed Write Failure Vista + Zonealarm Free 7.1.254.000

    Dell Dimension 4600. Vista Ultimate SP1 with NO updates.
    2GB ram. 2.4 GHZ.
    Wired ethernet network.

    While at the console, everything works fine.
    I can't make it fail.

    If I initiate a file transfer from any other machine on
    the network, I get Delayed Write Failures and file corruption.
    My test is a group of 8 files with a total of 40MB.
    I get a delayed write EVERY TIME I initiate the transfer
    from another machine.
    I DO NOT experience any failures if I initiate the transfer
    from the console of the Dimension 4600.

    I got a lot of ideas from the Google and tried the following
    with NO improvement.
    ATI video cards sometimes cause this ...replaced with Nvidia.
    Installed latest intel chipset drivers.
    Installed latest intel PRO/100 VE lan drivers.
    Edited the registry to change the memory management key to FFFFFFFF.
    Changed to a Realtek RTL8169 Gigabit lan card with vista lan drivers.
    Upgraded to realtek vista drivers that came with the card.
    Took out half of the 2GB of RAM.
    Turned off disk write cacheing.
    Ran Memtest86+ 'till I was blue in the face.
    I've uninstalled every virus/spyware/firewall program.
    Turned off windows defender and windows firewall.
    Reinstalled clean version of zonealarm for vista.
    Set the zonealarm firewall settings to off.
    Nothing helps.
    The only thing that fixes the problem is to use the icon in
    the tray to "shutdown zonealarm"...no more problems.

    Plugged in my XP disk. No more problems with delayed write errors with zonealarm
    for xp installed and turned on.

    Put back the Vista disk...problems come back.

    If I turnoff Zonealarm, the problem goes away.

    I tried another experiment.
    While installing, Zonealarm stops at a nag screen asking me if I want to buy
    additional features.
    At that point, task manager verifies that vsmon.exe and zlclient.exe are running.
    At this point, I can transfer files without error.
    I click no thank you and let the install proceed.

    At the "restart your computer prompt", I can still transfer files without error.
    After restart, I enter the network name of my remote computer to enable file transfers.
    Now, I have file transfer errors "delayed write failed".
    I have a test suite of 8 files totaling 40MB. I get delayed write failures
    EVERY time I initiate this transfer from the remote machine. I NEVER get errors
    when inititating the transfer from the local machine.
    I never get errors either direction with ZA turned off.

    This looks like an incompatibility between Vista and Zonealarm.

    Any ideas on what to try next?

    Operating System:Windows Vista Ultimate
    Software Version:7.1 (Vista)
    Product Name:ZoneAlarm (Free)

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    validconten Guest

    Default Re: Delayed Write Failure with Vista Ultimate SP1 and ZAfree.

    Seems to be a three-way conflict between totalcommander, zonealarm and vista.
    Totalcommander has a compatibility mode that works around it.

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    Default Re: Delayed Write Failure with Vista Ultimate SP1 and ZAfree.


    <BLOCKQUOTE><HR>validconten wrote:
    Seems to be a three-way conflict between totalcommander, zonealarm and vista.
    Totalcommander has a compatibility mode that works around it.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> to the Zone Alarm User Forum..
    Thank you for your feedback to the ZA Forum..I Googled "Totalcomander", which it probable used durring your file transfer processin ZoneAlarm Program Control / Program Tab list all the Files and Programs that ZoneAlarm Regulates..b (Check to see if TotalComander is being blocked or needs higher access privilages?NOTE: Make sure all of the following Programs have Trusted and Internet access (2 Green Check Marks):a.) All Microsoft and Windows Programs have Green Check marks for Trusted and Internet Access..b.) Generic Host Process for win32 Services (svchost.exe) also allow Trusted Server Rights (no Internet Server Rights)c.) IE Crash Detectiond.) Internet Explorer or FireFoxe.) Malicious Software Removal Toolf.) True Vector Service (If it is listed)g.) Zone Alarm Clienth.) Zone Alarm Updating Clienti.) Your Email Client needs Trusted, Internet accessand Send Mail all need Green check Marks..---------------------------------------
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    ZoneAlarm Pro version:8.0.015.000
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    validconten Guest

    Default Re: Delayed Write Failure with Vista Ultimate SP1 and ZAfree.

    Thanks, but the WHOLE idea of ZoneAlarm is to PREVENT programs,
    especially Microsoft services, from accessing the web when it serves ME
    no purpose. 99.9% of the bloat in vista is never used by me.
    I don't want M$ managing my media files. Or sending me instant messages, or
    ANYTHING. I don't want anything automatically updated.
    If you believe the ZA alerts, Vista, Mcaffee and many other programs
    continue to call home for unknown reasons even when check the &quot;don't update me
    automacially&quot; boxes.
    I want M$ to Shut Up and let me run programs of MY choice.
    I want outgoing programs and services to be PREVENTED
    to the greatest extent possible.

    If I'm going to allow outgoing programs and services, I don't
    need Zonealarm at all.

    Here's the more detailed problem statement that I published to the
    totalcommander group. They suggested a compatibility mode tweak
    to totalcommander that seems to have fixed the problem.

    Problem: consistent and repeatable &quot;delayed write errors&quot;
    for files bigger than 4.5MB, network copy.

    Master System
    Dell Dimension 4600 2.4GHZ 2GB RAM
    Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 32bit
    Zonealarm Free V 7.1.254.000
    Totalcommander 7.04a

    Slave System
    Dell Dimension 4550 2.0GHZ 1GB RAM
    Windows XPSP2 32bit
    Totalcommander 7.04a (same problem with 7.03)

    Wired network connection thru westel 327W router.

    From the console of the master system, I can transfer
    files back and forth using totalcommander without error.

    From the console of the slave system, totalcommander file transfers
    with file size over about 4.5MB always show a
    delayed write error and the destination file is corrupt.
    Smaller files seem to work fine.
    If I turn off zonealarm on the master system,
    the problem goes away.

    I've been blaming this on Zonealarm, but there's another twist.
    With zonealarm turned on on the master system, if I use
    windows explorer on the slave system to transfer files,
    I do NOT get errors.

    Further tests:
    On the slave system, I open an explorer window pointing to
    the master system. I highlight the source files on the slave
    system in the totalcommander pane and drag them to the explorer destination
    window. The files transfer without error.

    I open an explorer window on the slave system pointing to the source
    files on the slave system. Using totalcommander, I open a pane
    pointing to the master system. I highlight files in the explorer
    window and drag them to the totalcommander pane. I get delayed
    write errors.

    I've tried this with multiple slave systems with the same results.

    If I run Windows XP on the master system, I do not get errors.
    I've swapped hard drives and get the same results.
    Using the vista firewall, I do not get write errors.

    This looks like some kind of buffer problem or latency problem related to the combination of
    totalcommander, zonealarm and vista. Turning of any one of the three
    solves the problem.

    There's a compatibility mode setting in totalcommander that seems to fix the problem.
    I'm betting there's some buffering problem in one of the programs that's gonna
    come back and bite us eventually...but for now, I'm a happy camper.
    mike

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